Don’t get carried away in either direction. Notify Me. Be the first to review this product . That’s my choices. Required fields are marked *. Winchester USA380JHP USA 380 ACP 95 GR JHP 50 Rounds. 020892213234. The Winchester Gear online store has the best selection of Winchester shirts, caps, koozies and so much more. See my articles on the .380 Ammo Quest for test results on ammo that can achieve this goal. Exactly, anyone ever see a .45 acp hardnose, tumble wound? .38 Special 3. 9mm 4. People are not paper targets if you get hit with any bullet you will know it. That’s another reason why, in contrast to some other terminal ballistic experts, I consider FMJ’s a poor choice for the .380 — they provide weak wounding and high overpenetration dangers. That bullet will travel trough your body causing damage internally and exit wound , if a person does not die instantly they will bleed to death in short time. Winchester Target USA White Box 380 … Atla Member. Now, don’t get me wrong, FMJ’s can certainly kill, and they can cause critical hits if they happen to hit the central nervous system or a major artery or the heart. I don’t think there’s any difference between the ammo offerings at all, other than price-per-round and quantity. More on Overpenetration – What About FMJ’s? Stay safe. Buyer's Club $42.74 Non-Member $44.99. Item not currently available for order . Item not currently available for order . “Center Mass” hit? Just knowing you are hit will cause psychological trauma as well as physical trauma. Which certainly have their place the game fields. When you buy bulk FMJ Ammo, you try to get a good deal. Find in-stock .380 ammunition and sort by price, brand, seller, review and more. The resulting ammunition is a great choice for Personal Defense. This ammunition is new production, reloadable brass cases. I fired a Box of WWB 147gr FMJ's first (with good results) and then followed up with the JHPs. Details . In the typical “bigger is obviously better” u.s; we took the .38spcl and souped it up to the .357; .44 special up to the .44 magnum; and 45 long colt up to the 454. casual magnum. Buyer's Club $23.74 Non-Member $24.99. 17 HMR; 17 Mach2; 17 WSM; 22 Long; 22 LR; 22 Short; 22 WMR; 22 WRF ; 5MM Rem Mag; Handgun Ammunition. $23.50. Instant Stop? Source is a NYT article about the1997 SOP9 report. Does It Cause Psychological Stops? You can adjust your cookie setting by clicking the button below. Pingback: Hardball for selfdefense ? How hugely massive in body size? Opinions? GREAT SERIES: I own 9mm; .45acp . Why bullets are often recovered just under the skin and/or clothes on the far side. This round often tumbles & does excellent damage. The bullet was recovered just under the guard’s outer jacket on the far side, after penetrating the jacket, shirt, t-shirt, torso, t-shirt, and shirt. Check. Warning Shot? Winchester Personal Protection 45 Auto JHP-Jacketed Hollow Point 230 Grain 50 Rounds . The facts are very clear, blood lose is the only reliable way to stop a human, and two holes bleed out faster than one. Winchester Ammunition manufactures Handgun Ammo, Rifle Ammo, Shotgun Ammo and mostly known for their high quality White Box Handgun Ball ammo in calibers such as 9mm ammo, 40 S&W ammo, 45 ACP Ammo and many others. Watered Down? IMHO as a civilian only trying to “break contact” ; it provides “enough”of what I’m looking for. Winchester Personal Protection 45 Cal JHP Jacketed Hollow Point 230 Grain … Winchester Ammo USA380JHP USA 380 ACP 95 gr Jacketed Hollow Point (JHP) 50 Bx/ 10 Cs $ 40.63 $ 37.01. 23 of those were bystanders and other cops (22 FMJ, 1 JHP). Winchester's handgun ammo is ammunition designed for short-barreled firearms and is trusted for target and range shooting, providing a clean and realiable performance for both supporessed and non-suppressed firearms. I may have missed it, but do you have any thoughts about using flat nose fmj or flat nose hardcast in a .380? After exiting the bystander, it’d still maintain enough energy to reach almost 8″ deep into ballistic gel — again, far enough to cause serious damage, and depending on where it hits, it may even cause a critical/fatal hit on a person behind the bystander behind the attacker. Be the first to review this product . 380 Automatic, 95 Grain. USA WHITE BOX AMMO 380 AUTO 95GR FMJ; Open Expanded View . IMHO as a civilian only trying to “break contact” ; it provides “enough”of what I’m looking for. The plan was to run 22 different types of FMJ .380 acp ammo through 3 different pistols and capture the velocity data with a chronograph. Joined: Nov 20, 2016 Messages: 647. Earn Cash Back on Your Favorite Winchester Ammunition Products, Winchester Gear Designed for Your Lifestyle, Winchester Repeating Arms – Legendary Firearms. - Page 3, Another Real-Life Shooting Incident — The Waffle House Shooting, .357 Magnum? Not everyone is as described. And that means that while it doesn’t exceed the FBI/IWBA minimum 12″ penetration depth, it could still easily cause serious damage or even possibly a fatal hit on a bystander. Backed by generations of legendary excellence, Winchester 'USA White Box' is high-quality ammunition that suits a wide range of needs for handgun shooters. I don’t use a hollow point in anything with less energy than a .357. The only time I’d recommend against hollowpoints is when you’re using a tiny caliber (specifically .22LR, .25 ACP, or .32 ACP) where there just isn’t enough energy available to push a hollowpoint deep enough to cause a critical hit — in those cases, you have to go with a non-expanding bullet; wadcutters would be preferred, but use FMJ’s if you can’t get wadcutters. One question though. Completely discounting the possibility is the same kind of mistake as taking it too far. I carry a kahr 9for cow; been getting hooked on trying out the .380. Rimfire Ammo. At the time of launch, there were only four calibers offered; the .45 ACP was not an option. Ever seen some of these bad guys? When possible use a 12 gauge or rifle. Backed by generations of legendary excellence, Winchester "USA White Box" stands for consistent performance and outstanding value, offering high-quality ammunition to suit a wide range of hunter's and shooter's needs. The resulting ammunition is a great choice for Personal Defense. Item not currently available for order . JHP @ the local Wal Mart. Winchester Target USA White Box 380 Auto FMJ-Full Metal Jacket 95 Grain 50 Rounds. - Page 3. I do carry 230 gr PDX1 Winchester hollowpoints,but I would’nt have a problem using FMJ’s, if thats all I had . Open Expanded View+ Click Image to Zoom Description; Economical Ammo For A Variety Of Shooting Applications. Count on the Classic White Box … Technical Information. Did you miss this above? After penetrating through 9″ of muscle tissue and exiting out the other side, it would still be traveling at 385 feet per second — and that’s enough to penetrate almost 8.75″ of ballistic gel! What about Kinetic Energy Transfer? And in .380 ACP, careful ammunition selection is vital — some hollowpoints grossly under-penetrate and can leave you at risk; you have to choose a hollowpoint that penetrates deeply enough to have a chance of causing a critical hit, while minimizing the risk of overpenetration. Hollowpoints lead to dangerous underpentration if they work as advertised. Your email address will not be published. … https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tku8YI68-JA. Count on the Classic White Box to deliver the performance and reliability you desire. A hollowpoint expands so large that it slows down dramatically while it’s traveling through the attacker’s body; even if it overpenetrates it’ll be going so slowly that it won’t be nearly as dangerous as an FMJ would be. Winchester Ammo Q4206 USA 380 ACP 95 gr Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) 50 Bx/ 10 Cs $ 27.68 $ 22.67 Winchester “USA White Box” stands for consistent performance and outstanding value, offering high-quality ammunition to suit a wide range of hunter’s and shooter’s needs. 9mm, 40, 45s all should be hard cast or FMJ. Discussion in 'Handguns: Autoloaders' started by GooseGestapo, Apr 19, 2017. I finally found a box of WWB 147 gr. Features Ballistics Gallery. Two shots ended up at 26.50″ and 27.75″, which was even further than the round-nose FMJs went (they went 23.00 to 24.75″). Those are the ones sold to the general public for personal defense. They’re much more effective wounders, they’re much more likely to stop an attacker, and they vastly minimize any risk of overpenetration. GREAT SERIES: I own 9mm; .45acp . with the benefit of reduced over penetration; recoil; muzzle blast; weight. This affordable .357 Magnum "white box" ammunition from Winchester is well suited for a variety of purposes including hunting, self-defense, and target shooting. Winchester White Box, .380 ACP, JHP, 95 Grain, 50 Rounds. Gordon said: ↑ I will have to try those from my "longslide " 1907 Swedish pistol. If I remember correctly, Massad Ayoob gave the wrapped meat example somewhere. And this what the Winchester White Box line is best known for, low price quality ammunition. The two things I noticed with the WWB … Caliber: 380 … Winchester 380 Auto USA380JHP 95gr JHP 50 per box. Winchester PDX1 Defender, .380 ACP, BJHP, 95 Grain, 20 Rounds. The ballistics reported by the company look to be identical; the only difference may be in the box quantity (personal defense = 20 per box, law enforcement = 50 per box). One thing I have noticed over the years is the price of this line from inexpensive to nipping at the heals of premium offerings. This 380 ACP load contains a 95 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point bullet designed with more weight in the base to increase accuracy without sacrificing the reliable expansion produced by the hollow point. USA USA380JHP $ Backed by generations of legendary excellence, Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Source is a NYT article about the1997 SOP9 report.” No details on how many exited a torso and how many limbs. Your email address will not be published. tntwatt, Apr 28, 2008 #1. Since finishing and posting my article on overpenetration, and why so much of the worry about overpenetration is simply overblown, it’s brought me back to the subject of full metal jacket bullets (aka “FMJ’s”, usually used strictly as “range ammo” or “training ammo”). 7.65 browning worked for decades as a military and LEO cartridge in Europe. Winchester White Box, .380 ACP, JHP, 95 Grain, 50 Rounds. Target Sports USA has Winchester Ammo For Sale in the following popular calibers: Winchester Handgun Ammo : Winchester Rifle Ammo : Winchester Shotgun Ammo : Winchester … The odds of a pass thru, overpentrating round, hurting, killing someone else are very, very remote..bad guys often seek targets in isolated/desolate places. Winchester "White Box" .380acp 95gr JHP performance. Remember if a person gets shot they will know it and feel it no matter if hollow point or FMJ . Yes, one .45 ACP FMJ could pass completely through two people and lodge deeply enough in the third to cause a fatal hit. Luckily many fail to expand and work like the more effective FMJ and your only loss is the extra money wasted on hype and magic bullets and the straw man “overpenetration”. The Great .380 FMJ & JHP Ammo Test - The Results I've mentioned this test a few times over the last couple of months. And because they slip through tissue so easily, FMJ’s present a very real prospect of overpenetrating. Usage: Brand: USA. Which is the reason that a lot of bullets end up on the other side of the animal or human just under the skin. USA380JHP $ Backed by generations of legendary excellence, Winchester "USA White Box" stands for consistent performance and outstanding value, offering high-quality ammunition to suit a wide range of hunter's and shooter's needs. Winchester … 18 were suspects (14 FMJ, 4 JHPs). SKU. 10MM Auto; 22 TCM & 22 TCM 9R; 25 Auto; 32 Auto; 32 S&W; 357 Mag; 357 Sig; 38 S&W; … Two shots ended up at 26.50″ and 27.75″, which was even further than the round-nose FMJs went (they went 23.00 to 24.75″). Buyer's Club $42.74 Non-Member $44.99. I am sure they are well built and deliver awesome performance but is their performance that much better than the Winchester white box defense ammo. And for any caliber more powerful than .380 (such as 38 Special, 9mm, 10mm, 357 Magnum, 357 Sig, 40 S&W, 45 ACP, or 45 Colt) there’s no question — for safety and effectiveness you should be using hollowpoints, and avoiding FMJ’s, for defensive purposes. Login Register. Shoot To Wound? Winchester USA Handgun Ammunition is available in both full metal jacket and jacketed hollow point rounds. with the benefit of reduced over penetration; recoil; muzzle blast; weight. Winchester offers a wide range of rebates throughout the year – see if your favorite Winchester Ammunition products are eligible for a rebate. 4.7 out of 5 star rating (18 … Want to bet the 5" barrel … Hollow points are more a marketing ploy than anything else , since they cost more they try to push the ammo in sales while their effect is no better than FMJ. Two USAF were playing quick draw on post when one was shot w .38 Special FMJ. For more than 150 years Winchester Repeating Arms has created some of the most innovative firearms in the industry. Even if the bullet overpenetrated, it would still have enough energy to cause a nasty bruise, sure, but it wasn’t likely a significant risk to still be lethal; the journey through the attacker’s body would slow the bullet down below 300 feet per second, rendering it unlikely to be able to even break skin. 4.8 out of 5 star rating (31 reviews) Quick View. The 1st layer of plastic is defeated easily but when the icepick reaches the other side the plastic stretches and it is more difficult to penetrate it. You may also want to consider the newest ammo I’ve tested, the Lehigh Extreme Penetrator — it is my new favorite recommended ammo for .380 pocket pistols. SKU. Winchester 'USA White Box', Consistent Performance and Outstanding Value. I use FMJ in my 45 ACP for home defense without question, I know if a intruder gets hit he or she will go down . 18 were suspects (14 FMJ, 4 JHPs). Remington UMC … Out of stock. [HR][/HR] I took the ole Ruger P95 9mm out for a shoot this morning & was kinda shocked & dissappointed. Buyer's Club $28.49 Non-Member $29.99. In my previous article I had demonstrated that a good .380 or .45 ACP hollowpoint, after penetrating through 9″ of an attacker’s torso, wouldn’t likely have enough residual velocity to even break the skin of a person standing behind the target. The .40 as of the last decade does too.. “In just two years (95/96), 41 of the 121 people hit by NYPD bullets were hit by NYPD bullets that went through somebody else first. Or Shoot To STOP? You can use your hollow points but I will stick with my FMJ , if it was good in WW2 than it is good for me too. (Not many good folks around). Out of stock. Joined: Mar 9, 2008 Messages: 329 Location: Georgia. Source below. It’s not like an FMJ won’t do damage, it will, it’s just that — well, just about any other kind of bullet will do more damage than an FMJ would. An ideal choice for training or extended sessions at the range. Winchester Target USA White Box 380 Auto FMJ-Full Metal Jacket 95 Grain 50 Rounds. .380 ACP 2. There’s a new option out there, however, which might be a much better choice — it’s a flatnose solid copper bullet that features some cuts and grooves in it that the manufacturer claims will greatly increase the size of the wound channel, while bringing penetration down into the acceptable range (they say 17.0″). Thanks for any and all support! But let’s put it in perspective — let’s say that the .45 ACP FMJ penetrated through the 9″-thick attacker, and continued on to hit a bystander — at 498 feet per second, it’d have enough energy to easily pass completely through 9″ of bystander, and still be going at 252 feet per second! $37.48. Winchester Personal Protection 45 Auto JHP-Jacketed Hollow Point 230 Grain 50 Rounds. You may want to factor in the offside skin stretching after penetrating a body. The resulting ammunition is a great choice for Personal Defense. If it really does perform the way they say it will, it might be the ideal round for a .380 pocket pistol. If you get hit with a FMJ bullet you will drop to your knees or die. Winchester USA Ammunition produces outstanding quality and dependability at an affordable price. First thing first, Stop the threat, plain & simple. My 1911 has no problems with feeding or ejecting hollowpoint rounds. This 380 ACP load contains a 95 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point bullet designed with more weight in the base to increase accuracy without sacrificing the reliable expansion produced by the hollow point. 23 of those were bystanders and other cops (22 FMJ, 1 JHP). This … If hollowpoints are legal for self defense where you live, USE THEM. Distributors. Shooting The Bull Post author June 16, 2014 at 4:18 pm. I have tested flat-nose FMJ (Winchester White Box) and got huge overpenetration from it. USA. Compare. How much of a threat is an overpenetrating FMJ? Winchester “USA White Box” stands for consistent performance and outstanding value, offering high-quality ammunition to suit a wide range of hunter’s and shooter’s needs. 36 were hit by FMJ, 5 by JHPs. There are several Youtube videos of surgeons and other medical professionals that have extensive experience with GSW, and from what I have seen, they would generally disagree with your synopsis regarding over-penetration. Each cartridge fires an extra-light 110 grain jacketed hollow point bullet at a high muzzle velocity of 1,295 feet per second (more in long guns). 4.7 out of 5 star rating (23 … Whatever type of bullet you use, make sure it fully penetrates your target. Rounds per box: 50. Details . Page 1 of 3 1 2 3 Next > tntwatt Member. Winchester Ammunition offers the Train & Defend line for five cartridges: 1. I carry a kahr 9for CCW; been getting hooked on trying out the .380. Email. Winchester 9mm 147 Gr JHP (50) White Box. My account; Checkout; Cart; Search for: Search $ 0.00 0 items; Menu. Because they’re basically a round-nose, slippery design, they present a very low-drag profile and they slip through tissue (or air or water or whatever) easily. .45 ACP Winchester announced the Train & Defend line of ammunition in December of 2013 with a formal launch of the ammo at the 2014 SHOT Show. .40 S&W 5. Winchester Super-X Power-Point 22-250 Remington 64 Grain 20 Rounds . It was a factor in NYPD’s finally getting JHPs finally approved for issue to everybody in 1998. A reasonably powerful bullet stopping (dumping of its energy) in the intended target is just about perfect. A 90-grain .380 ACP FMJ, for example, would travel at about 900 feet per second from the muzzle. Joined: Feb 6, 2008 Messages: 350. Sounds ideal, and I’m going to try to get ahold of some for testing. Secondarily, is there much evidence of this even being a problem in shootings? Winchester Ammunition manufactures ammo for all shooting activities: hunting ammo, shooting, target ammo, and personal defense ammo. Rounds per case: 500. 020892201972. The ones I tested are the “Low Recoil” ones. What do you think. … Winchester Varmint HE, .22 Magnum, JHP, 34 Grain, 50 Rounds. 36 were hit by FMJ, 5 by JHPs. Between bad equipment and then bad weather there were a few false starts, but I did manage to get through … They’re unquestionably a better choice than an underpenetrating bullet would be, but I’d much, much rather use a properly-engineered hollowpoint that penetrates deeply and avoids overpenetration and has an aggressive wounding profile, than use a slippery little FMJ that will sail right through the attacker, causing minimal damage as it goes, and still presents a potentially significant threat to anyone behind the attacker. Winchester White Box JHP. I appreciate all the work and thought that went into it. The “tactical” are sold to law enforcement only. By ticking this box … Email. A wadcutter is a much more effective wounder than an FMJ, and a hollowpoint can be a significantly superior wounder than an FMJ (assuming, of course, that it penetrates deeply enough). What do you think. Hollow points expand on impact but on thick clothing or bullet proof vest are less effective. Winchester White Box 103 vote(s) 65.2% Remington UMC 55 vote(s) 34.8% Thread Status: Not open for further replies. Ammo testing is expensive, but if you like what you see here and want to support the site, you can donate here through Paypal. Not with the gun, but with the ammo. In just two years (95/96), 41 of the 121 people hit by NYPD bullets were hit by NYPD bullets that went through somebody else first. I agree, don’t worry about it, but do be aware of it. Of course, the story is much worse with the .45 ACP FMJ. It seems to me they would have significantly less chance of over penetrating, while getting better penetration than hollowpoints, e.g., 16 inches (the few tests out there seem to corroborate this). Currently I alternate standard pressure Underwood hardcast flat nose with Federal Hydra-shok hollowpoints. Page 2 of 2 < Prev 1 2. gsbuickman Member. The FMJ is the least damaging type of projectile in common use. 4.8 out of 5 star rating (31 reviews) Quick View. The company soon corrected this, and y… Joined: Mar 4, 2005 Messages: 6,133 Location: Louisville KY. The Hollow … Why I won’t use or test .380 ACP “+P” or any “+P+” ammo…, LaserLyte CK-SWAT for Taurus Judge Public Defender. Count on the Classic White Box … You can test this by using an icepick or screwdriver to poke a hole in a piece of meat packaged in plastic. Contributions will be to Fiercely Independent Films, Inc. That would give it enough energy to be able to penetrate over 16″ of ballistic gel, definitely capable of a fatal hit. Using a 230-grain projectile at 850 feet per second from the muzzle, it’d penetrate through that 9″ torso and when it overpenetrated it’d still be going 498 feet per second. Out of stock. Getting through the stretched skin of the far side can be equal to another 4 inches of muscle. Item not currently available for order .
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